1. Welcome to The Prosecutors

Hello everyone. It’s Brett and Alice, and we are so glad to have you along this crazy ride with us. We’re going to be talking about some of the most famous cold cases of all time, bringing our experience as prosecutors to bear on our favorite mysteries. We hope this website can become a repository of information on these cases, and any public documents we use or cite we will try to link here both to credit the authors and to give you access to them. The more eyes on these cases, the better. But before we do that, we wanted to introduce ourselves to all of you.

In this episode, we tell a little bit about ourselves, and we set out the rules we are going to do our best to stick to during our investigation. Here they are, our ten commandments of sorts.

  1. The simplest answer is the most likely to be correct.
  2. If there is no evidence of a crime, there probably wasn’t a crime.
  3. Usually, law enforcement can be trusted.
  4. Conspiracies are hard to pull off and even harder to keep secret.
  5. Do not mistake incompetence for malice.
  6. There will never be a theory that answers all the questions or addresses all the evidence.
  7. We never know all the facts.
  8. The most obvious suspect is usually the one who did it.
  9. People lie, but that doesn’t make them liars.
  10. BUT in extraordinary cases, expect the extraordinary. Cause what’s the point of rules if you can’t break them?

23 thoughts on “1. Welcome to The Prosecutors

  1. Hey guys I absolutely love your podcast you are my new favorite I was wondering if you guys could do a multi episode podcast on the west Memphis three it’s a fascinating case I would love to hear prosecutors Insights on this controversial case I know that you would be fair and balanced and really look at all of the evidence and not just watch the Paradise Lost trilogy like some podcasts do and make assumptions on a very bias documentary. Anyway thank you very much I look forward to your episodes every day and listen to them many times over


  2. Hi guys! I’m loving your podcast so far! The prosecutorial spin you put on it and your logical theories on the unsolved cases make it really interesting and sets you guys apart from other shows. I’d be interested to have you guys cover a couple Texas cases I’ve followed- Brandon Lawson from west Texas, with one of the strangest 911 calls I’ve ever heard, and Heidi Broussard (the woman abducted and killed by a female friend who wanted to steal her newborn). Thanks for all you do and keep up the great work!


  3. Well, I first want to say that I applaud the “gracious, merciful” (sarcasm) way you portrayed Mitrice’s problem that evening. I am sure Michael Peterson murdered his wife in the same “gracious, merciful” way! An owl, indeed! I guess Elizabeth Ratliffe, in Germany, was attacked by that same owl at the bottom of her staircase! As far as the Elisa Lam case, Asian women are very humble. You have to be familiar with that culture before spouting off these lame-brained deductions. They just don’t walk up the steps of a friggin water tower, take off their clothes and watch, and throw them in, then take a friggin bath! Why did she choose to travel to CA? Who was she going to meet there? There was someone, which was discussed on other sites. So, therefore, you got it wrong, AGAIN! Otherwise, good podcast.


  4. Hi guys, love your intro music, your banter, the rapport you both have and the way you discuss cases and give your theories. You are my favourite stand-out podcast, keep up the good work!
    From Naseer,
    Aberdeen, Scotland.


  5. Hey guys, love the podcasts. The Delphi case has been one I have been following for sometime. I have tried to find out as much as I could about it. I have listened to many podcasts and read pretty much anything I can find on it. What I find interesting about your podcast is regarding the two witnesses that gave descriptions of bridge guy. You stated that the girl that saw BG by the Freedom Bridge said that he was wearing a hoodie with a jacket over it. The arguing couple witness said that BG was wearing a hoodie. But there was no mention of the coat. Was he wearing the coat at that time? Is it possible that the coat was left at the murder scene and the police have it? Seems that if that if the police indeed do have the coat, wouldn’t that be a great piece of evidence? Maybe I missed something but that just seemed to stick out to me. Keep up the great work!


  6. I really enjoyed your podcast on Scott Peterson. My question regards a neighbor who claimed that Laci always raised the blinds/curtains in the morning, but on December 24 she did not do so. I did not hear you mention this. I assume it never was introduced into evidence at the trial. Are you aware of this information?


  7. Hi Bret and Alice, I love your podcast. I had to travel everyday for 8 weeks to UCLA Medical so saw your Podcast and thought “hhmmm” a whole new prospective on true crime. You have not disappointed me and my trips every day to and from flew by. Thank you.
    I wanted to ask if investigators ever considered a Cloud Avalanche on the Dyatlov case(crazy right but I saw a video of one in Nepal). A theory probably already on the table and discounted but I thought it was interesting.


  8. LOVE YOU TWO. Heard you on Missing Maura Murray and was totally amazed by your thought process. When I heard you had your own podcast, I had to check it out. I love your format. Everything is explained and really to the point. I am currently off work undergoing chemo. Some days are pretty bad, but i listen to your podcast before bed. Sometimes it is the highlight of my day. Not really sure what I am going to do once I have listened to them all.


    1. Hi Andrea! There are always new episodes, and we’ll keep making them as long as you’re listening. You stay strong and keep kicking cancer’s ass for us.


      1. Thanks for the encouragement .Just a few more months to go. Listening from Edmonton AB Canada btw.


  9. Would like to request you cover the case of Angela Green from Prairie Village, Ks. She disappeared & her husband told their college age daughter all kinds of crazy stories (lies) about what had happened to her; she was admitted to a psych hospital, she died, she didn’t die, she ran off with someone…. He had expressed no interest in looking for her or reporting her missing. An attitude of-if she wants to leave that’s her right. The daughter has become a strong advocate in finding her mom but nothing seems to be happening on the case. It is currently unsolved & it’s hard to tell if the police are looking into it. Lots of factors that make it unlikely that she just walked away. Love your show. Thanks


  10. Hi guys, loving your podcast! You are now up in my daily go-to list for true crime, right after the True Crime Garage guys. 🙂 Keep up the good work. One suggestion about something that’s been bugging me— lately the transitions to and from the ads have seemed very “off”… I have trouble hearing any difference and there’s been times where I think you’re still talking about the case but then you seem super happy about your food deliveries. Sort of off-putting to me. Like I said, I just noticed it recently so maybe there’s something new you guys are doing that could be tweaked a bit?

    Other than that, everything is 100%, love it!


  11. Hey y’all, love your work! I happened upon your Mary Morris podcasts and have been listening to them in the gym. I’m so glad y’all debunked the “hit man” theory on this case. I live in the area and it has bothered me that neither of these cases have been solved and that people still harp on the “oh noes bad hit” theory. As you said, in a city of 5M people, two people having the same very common name is A Thing. Also, geographically, as you pointed out, the two suburbs that these murders occurred in are nowhere near each other.

    Anyway, keep up the great work, and if I may suggest a case to y’all: Matt Flores. This is another “mistaken hit” case out of California where a young man was killed (supposedly stalked) in the parking lot of his work, but he was only there for two weeks and using a rental car. The “mistaken hit” doesn’t seem to fly with this one, either, but it’s the lore that goes around.


  12. The people posting on episode 86 about Maura Murray have many of their facts and info wrong. For one they stated that you could see the crash site from Butch’s and that is inaccurate. At the time you could not, also the next lady is wrong about packing rooms. You did pack rooms for break. Erinn didn’t know Maura at all, never met her and Erinn has stated many inaccurate info over the years. She was discussed at Umass including by the track team so the people commenting on your ” Get Vokl” have many of their info wrong.


  13. You two add a refreshing spin on cases we’ve all heard multiple times – using your prosecutorial backgrounds, you offer more logical theories to the stories that others haven’t provided. I have just binged all in the last two weeks.
    I have case suggestion- although it’s from Canada. There is case covered in Simone knows something- kerri Ann brown. It’s a very cold homicide case and few suspected scenarios are brought up by a CBC investigative journalist. I’m wondering from a law background you can provide your thoughts as there was some strange court proceedings as well. I would love to hear what you two would say. This girl was brutally murdered in 1986 and it’s quite sad that it doesn’t look like it ever be solved. This happened in my hometown and it is on heart all the time.
    I am so happy I found your podcast- it is so so special. Please don’t ever stop. Ever!


  14. Hey Alice and Brett,
    First off, I love your podcast and the unique perspectives and logical conclusions you offer. Keep up the great work!

    I wanted to offer a suggestion for a future case: the drowning of Sarah Widmer and the conviction of her husband, Ryan Widmer, who was convicted after 3 trials. There was very little evidence against him and no motive.

    I’m a veterinarian and from a medical perspective it seems quite likely that Sarah had an undiagnosed medical condition that may have contributed to her drowning (multiple people in her life attested to chronic clinical signs for months prior). Even though this “underlying condition” theory was put forth by his defense team in a couple of the trials it apparently was not argued effectively enough as he was eventually convicted. Her first autopsy seemed incomplete, and then she was cremated without saving the vital organs as the judge ordered for future testing. The defense’s request for genetic testing for underlying conditions on her DNA has been refused (though not all causes for unconsciousness/ seizure/narcolepsy/arrhythmias/fainting have a clear testable genetic component). I am curious as to why cardiologist and neurologist were not brought forth to testify.

    On the legal side there were multiple problems as well: an asleep 911 responder, a corrupt police officer that oversaw the case (& had lied about his credentials to get the job), an illegally seized bathtub being used as “evidence”, and jury misconduct.

    Anyway, I think it would be a great case to hear your prosecutors’ perspective on. I’m happy to provide a basic medical perspective (fair warning- I am not MD).
    Hope y’all consider covering it.

    PS- Shout out to Alice! We went to college together and I was always impressed by how happy/bubbly you were. Love the energy you bring to podcast.


  15. Hi Alice and Brett, I think you are both great. I listen while I am editing photographs, cooking or dozing off. I am not a “true crime” person, except for a few podcasts. I don’t have a library of them in my head. False convictions, babies being killed, children disappearing…….it’s too much for me, but I like the logical and constructive approach you both use. I really enjoy your conversation and your theme music is such a blast. (:


  16. Hi Brett and Alice, I just want to say I love your podcast!! I’m a huge true crime fan and this is by far my favorite one so please keep making more episodes!! I love how you’re prosecutors and include lots of legal facts, I love learning more about those so please keep that coming!

    I was wondering if y’all have heard of the case about the death of Rebecca Zahau and her stepson Max? She was found tied to a chair naked hanging off a balcony after Max was in a weird accident which caused his death while she was watching him. It’s such a bizarre, sad and disturbing case and I’d love to hear what y’all think about it.

    Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next episode!! 🙂


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