43. The Delphi Murders Part 4

We conclude our investigation into the murders at Delphi. Who killed Abigail J. “Abby” Williams and Liberty Rose Lynn “Libby” German? Somebody out there has the answers. You can solve the case. These girls deserve justice. #delphi #murder #findhim

10 thoughts on “43. The Delphi Murders Part 4

  1. This is a case that I haven’t followed as closely as Maura, because it’s so fresh and therefore feels more difficult to objectively dissect. However, I think this is good example of how negative evidence can be helpful. For example, this man didn’t choose to wear a backpack to carry weapons. He instead either had something under his coat or he carried a knife/gun on his hip. Is it normal for people to wear weapons…like in Alaska it’s normal to have a knife on your belt. He could also have strangled with no weapon. In any case, there is a clear choice to not carry a backpack/bag. This could signal that he wanted to look less suspicious or it could show that this was not premeditated. Also, this man is not wearing sweatpants, cameo or attire that would be optimal for running after someone or hiding after attacking someone. He is in baggy jeans and an unseasonably bulky jacket that weapons could easily fall out of. This would show (to me any way) that he didn’t plan on running after anyone. Third piece of negative evidence is lack of a clear escape route. He is not within feet of a car or safe spot to abduct TWO people. He either had an elaborate plan or no plan at all in my opinion.

    Other points of interest:
    – he looks to be pigeon toed or knock-knees. Not the best for running fast.
    – he is not keeping his eyes on them the whole time. He is looking down in the shot. Why is this? If there was no one else around, why attempt to not be threatening? What was he waiting for?
    -is there any chance he was talking to someone else when he said “guys, downhill?” Either in his head or for real? Perhaps PTSD as a solider? Or cattle? Or real life accomplices?
    -he isn’t hiding. If he was planning this, don’t you think he would’ve done a better job of not being seen? He is walking behind them like a sketchy pickpocket not like someone ready to pounce…adrenaline wise. Hunters don’t stalk prey from the open.

    Sorry for the long post. Great job with this one!

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  2. Has the phone been inspected for spyware? It was “glitching”, which can be an indicator. If the girls’ cell phone activity had been monitored, the offender would have known exactly where they would be. Previous backups of the phone might have record of any spyware, too.

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  3. I think the signatures in the Delphi case are bite marks.

    I think Libby left her shoe behind on purpose as a clue to the direction they headed.

    I believe the rest of the video has not been released because the man saw he was being filmed (head down approach) and I’m certain he would not have approached the girls without stalking them first to be confident he could take them – he would have seen the phone at some point, and he took the phone and filmed the girls. He didn’t know NASA was going to get involved, to him he may have thought he’d be unidentifiable and he was right. You might ask why film his crime and I’d say why take on two girls and not wait for one. He took risks for kicks. It seems he also waited for there to be a point on the trail where the girls had limited options to run. He was smart and excited about the prospect of being in public, being caught. He was a chancer I believe he saw the girls being dropped off. There was never going to be a single young woman/girl walking alone on a trail like that, is there? So he took a chance with these girls. Perhaps he’d been stalking the area for a long while, months, waiting inconspicuously. I think he has a family with children a similar age at the time.

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  4. This case really troubles me. A fee of thoughts I’ve had since following this case.
    1. If a sound test was done and screams could be heard I don’t believe a gun was the weapon.
    2. If the girls did run he had to be relative agile to catch them together especially without a gun.
    3. He may have worked with in the school system as a support staff. Ex. Custodian, crossing guard, para. Bus driver.
    4. I have to wonder with the two sketches if they determined the first one was not a valid lead maybe he just made the first girl nervous and they were able to prove this was not the suspect. I think if he made her that uncomfortable the young lady walking with her boyfriend would have paid more attention. As it was her boyfriend just remembers seeing the guy maybe the second guy didn’t seem out of place.
    5. Maybe there was a prior encounter on the trail which made the girls nervous and that is why the recorded him. Maybe that is why it was possibly more of a personal attack on one girl she might have rebuffed him or stood up to him. The statement “guys…down the hill” doesn’t sound authoritative to me as much as an exasperated, I asked you once now get down the hill.

    I pray for their families and hope this evil can be stopped.

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  5. You are so cool! I don’t suppose I’ve truly read through anything like this before. So good to discover somebody with some unique thoughts on this subject matter. Really.. thank you for starting this up. This website is something that is required on the internet, someone with a bit of originality!

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  6. You talked a lot about his words and the way he said them. I hear it as a tone of warning, along the lines of a teacher/parent voice, who wants to let whoever they are talking to know they mean business. I am a retired police officer and I currently work with kids in a school setting. I don’t like “parenting” other people’s kids, but I have no problem with saying something to kids who are acting up. I usually refer to a group of kids as “guys.” The tone reminds me of how I would talk to some kids who were doing something they weren’t supposed to do. Maybe messing with property that wasn’t theirs, sneaking food out of the bulk bins at the grocery store, that sort of thing. I would (and have) start with a “Guys” with that same sort of inflection to let them know “I see what you are doing and it’s not okay.” And then tell them to cut the crap or whatever. But the way he starts definitely reminds me of how I would talk to a kid I wanted to listen to me as an authority figure. I feel like someone uncomfortable with or unaccustomed to talking to or directing kids might take a more passive approach.
    Also, about the clothing and the temperatures that day-I live in western NY, where winter lasts about nine months. Even as a female, if the temperature goes above 55, I’m in shorts, and maybe a long-sleeved tee. On a sunny day with temperatures in the 50s, I would never be bundled up like the man in this photo is. It was in the mid-40s here today, and I took a walk in lightweight sweats and a thin long-sleeved t-shirt.
    I really enjoy your podcast, and as horrible as the stories are, I enjoy the way your present them and objectivity you bring that is not regularly seen in this genre.

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  7. You talked a lot about his words and the way he said them. I hear it as a tone of warning, along the lines of a teacher/parent voice, who wants to let whoever they are talking to know they mean business. I am a retired police officer and I currently work with kids in a school setting. I don’t like “parenting” other people’s kids, but I have no problem with saying something to kids who are acting up. I usually refer to a group of kids as “guys.” The tone reminds me of how I would talk to some kids who were doing something they weren’t supposed to do. Maybe messing with property that wasn’t theirs, sneaking food out of the bulk bins at the grocery store, that sort of thing. I would (and have) start with a “Guys” with that same sort of inflection to let them know “I see what you are doing and it’s not okay.” And then tell them to cut the crap or whatever. But the way he starts definitely reminds me of how I would talk to a kid I wanted to listen to me as an authority figure. I feel like someone uncomfortable with or unaccustomed to talking to or directing kids might take a more passive approach.
    Also, about the clothing and the temperatures that day-I live in western NY, where winter lasts about nine months. Even as a female, if the temperature goes above 55, I’m in shorts, and maybe a long-sleeved tee. On a sunny day with temperatures in the 50s, I would never be bundled up like the man in this photo is. It was in the mid-40s here today, and I took a walk in lightweight sweats and a thin long-sleeved t-shirt.
    I really enjoy your podcast, and as horrible as the stories are, I enjoy the way your present them and objectivity you bring that is not regularly seen in this genre.

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  8. About the phone, I don’t know if the guy actually had one at all, at least not a smart phone. Because I think if he did, he would’ve known that 14yos with a smart phone are very tech savvy. For a long time, I refused to get a smart phone; my flip phone was just fine, no bells and whistles, just for calls, and I didn’t want to be married to my phone like everyone else was. It was around 2014 that I finally broke down and got a smart phone. I had NO idea what all you could do on that thing. I had heard of apps, but didn’t know what they were. I quickly learned what all you can do with a smart phone, and realized that kids were not just texting, but using social media, internet, maps, games, apps, etc, and they knew a helluva lot more about it than I did. I think if BG had a phone, it wasn’t a fancy one, and he didn’t bring it with him, and so I don’t think he really knew what all the kids like Libby could do with a smart phone, or else he would’ve realized he was a sitting duck on the bridge and that he could’ve erased or destroyed the phone or his images at the site.

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  9. Your episodes on Delphi are so thorough and informative… didn’t leave out any theory, fact, thought or possibility. Agree this guy was confident, even macho and prob. misogynistic. Agree the girls ran, fought like hell and knew what was happening… their response affected his male ego and as you said, he wasn’t able to contain them, both fighting him off and the situation out of control. Libby would not have taken the time to ‘leave’ her shoe, she lost it in her struggle. A gunshot would have been too loud unless this area was open for hunting… he could have choked one of them, isn’t choking a fav weapon of men because it’s up close and personal. His thought was this has to stop and did not let up until one was dead. I think the other one was fighting him trying to get him lose from her friend. Then he went after her assuring himself his maleness was intact. he could have beat her. As you also stated, it did not go down as he planned or visualized it would. If this guy was the guy seen on the Freedom bridge, likely he didn’t have blood on him so prob. did’t use a knife. He most likely had a gun as a threat but did’t intend to use it because of the noise. He probably had scratches.

    The FBI guy, maybe, prob., was already in the Delphi LE building working on another case when the call came in the girls were missing…. FBI not necessarily specifically being contacted to assist. In smaller communities that have an FBI field office, doesn’t LE and FBI work together? well, at least come in contact moreso than not. I know counties and jurisdictions are known for not sharing information but hasn’t this changed somewhat? In my opinion, I’ll guess those agencies that don’t want help have a lot to hide probably not on the up and up in how they do their work and there are plenty of these.

    I’m just not yet convinced of this new developement… but am sure LE is onto something whether related or not.

    I would like to hear your thoughts on the other two missing little girls not too far away from Delphi.

    It’s so interesting listening to two prosecutors giving their perspectives. Thank you for loving what you do.

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